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AnDrEw.N
AnDrEw.N
is it posible?
May 15 2008, 3:03 AM EDT
i have this spirit in my head he takes control of my body and i get all angry and hurt people i care about is this posible?

also is it posible to DIE in your dreams?
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Ravenite
Ravenite
RE: is it posible?
May 15 2008, 3:38 AM EDT
I don't think that's a spirit affecting you, but a clinical condition.

As for dieing in your dreams, yes it can happen. One can suffer from tremendous shock to the body that the dream can have consequential effects.
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AnDrEw.N
AnDrEw.N
RE: is it posible?
May 16 2008, 2:07 AM EDT
whats a clinical condition?

are you teasing my mental health?
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Ravenite
Ravenite
RE: is it posible?
May 16 2008, 4:58 AM EDT
Something like maybe being bi-polar or agitation issues? Don't get me wrong, I could be way off the mark.

And no, believe me I wouldn't want to tease or insult. I go though it that myself because I have my own conditions to deal with (and I know how it feels)
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Xenomorphine

Xenomorphine
RE: is it posible?
May 16 2008, 6:22 PM EDT
A spiritual entity would not physically be residing in your head. If it did that, it woudl be possessing you all the time and you would not even have any memory of it.

You may or may not be particularly sensitive, in a psychic way, of course: 'Feeling' very strong emotions left behind in a certain room. But if that were the case, you should also be experiencing empathy with sadness, love, happiness and a whole range of other emotions, depending upon where you are.

Your first and foremost course of action, however, would be to go to a doctor's and tell them of the symptoms, to get medication prescribed for your condition. If you're feeling rage all the time, that isn't good and if you're hurting people you care for, I dread to think of what could result if you don't get some assistance.
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Anonymous
RE: is it posible?
Jun 15 2008, 11:18 PM EDT
AnDrEw.N, Yes a dream you can die, but not neccessarily the real you, but it has happened before.

If you're hearing voices-& IF it's a physical/mental problem-a medical professional would have to diagnose you, but the symptoms sound like schitzophrenia (hearing voices) compounded with ineffective anger managment.

Let's say you were what is called temporarily possessed/influenced by an entity, I would say excorcise it. (When you were alone, I'd surround my property w/ blessed salt, leaving a small opening, inside I would drink or eat an excorcismal herb tea (sage or clove, unless you're allergic to it.) Then I would burn frankensence & sage incense/reading whatever religious scripture I found appropriate. Pictureing the smoke fumigating the entity from my body-home-out the front door-out the hole in the salt circle-I'd close off the circle & command the entity to a peaceful existance whence it came, harming none on it's way. Then I'd learn new anger management coping skills.
Love, grace & peace, Kitsunegari

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Anonymous
RE: is it posible?
Jun 15 2008, 11:34 PM EDT
"A spiritual entity would not physically be residing in your head. If it did that, it woudl be possessing you all the time and you would not even have any memory of it."
Xenomorphine, I respectfully disagree. it depends on the (strengths) of the individual & the entity(s)- and it's purpose.

Many Mambo's, Bokors, Lay People-Ridden by the Loa, Shamen & Curanderra's, Mystics-of any Religion (even Christians) have been temporarily possessed. (though Christians would call it touched by the Holy Spirit.)

Some individuals are sensetive to the gift/& some entities can body jump.

One wouldn't necessarily be spouting pea-soup just because they were temporarily possessed-the anger the entity feels might be because of something it feels was done to it, or feels has occured to the it's host.

It's not neccesarily malevolent-it could be an ancestor..though it's filling Host with anger-I'd suggest automatic writing, a rune or tarot card reading, or some other way of communicating with it, to see what it wants.

Not a seance though, because those are for spirits that aren't already present, and this one seems here already. Maybe it's just stuck and needs to move on? There are a LOT of 'if' factors here, that veer into the Armchair ESP/PSI Paranomral Dabbler Theories where one would have to do a lot of trial and error &that would be up to the OQ.
Love, Grace & Peace, Kitsunegari
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Anonymous
RE: is it posible?
Jun 22 2008, 9:43 PM EDT
oh its very possible. learn to meditate so you can be "spiritually" aware of your environment. Or better yet, on top of that, learn to do what you think you are being attacked by, and then you will see how they do it, and know how to guard yourself from it.

As far as a negative entity goes, you have to let them in, so kinda like voodoo, the fact that you believe it, with some sort of inner weakness, is why you are negatively affected by it.
Ive had this happen too, but knowing what was going on, ONE has the ability to redirect or channel the energy of the extra entity into positive service to others works, and in turn the negative entity will get a dose of TRUTH through LOVE and very possible repent unto truth, for a many disembodies spirits or entities do not know why they do what they do, they just do it to service a personal discrepancy of desire. So be thankful you have the opportunity to grow quickly from learning by experience, if you really are having this happen, then you should find it easy to have limitless faith. For God made homo sapien is its own image, it is OUR birthright to understand such divinity and liberation through compassion or selfless acts.
If you are a magnet for such activity, then you have a great opportunity to be selfless, and use yourSELF as a sort of demon rehabilitation center. Know that all that you seem to be, comes from god before the realization that you are that god merely playing one of infinite roles of the omnipotent omnipresent game of god consciousness.
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Anonymous
RE: is it posible?
Jun 22 2008, 9:46 PM EDT
"oh its very possible. learn to meditate so you can be "spiritually" aware of your environment. Or better yet, on top of that, learn to do what you think you are being attacked by, and then you will see how they do it, and know how to guard yourself from it.

As far as a negative entity goes, you have to let them in, so kinda like voodoo, the fact that you believe it, with some sort of inner weakness, is why you are negatively affected by it.
Ive had this happen too, but knowing what was going on, ONE has the ability to redirect or channel the energy of the extra entity into positive service to others works, and in turn the negative entity will get a dose of TRUTH through LOVE and very possible repent unto truth, for a many disembodies spirits or entities do not know why they do what they do, they just do it to service a personal discrepancy of desire. So be thankful you have the opportunity to grow quickly from learning by experience, if you really are having this happen, then you should find it easy to have limitless faith. For God made homo sapien is its own image, it is OUR birthright to understand such divinity and liberation through compassion or selfless acts.
If you are a magnet for such activity, then you have a great opportunity to be selfless, and use yourSELF as a sort of demon rehabilitation center. Know that all that you seem to be, comes from god before the realization that you are that god merely playing one of infinite roles of the omnipotent omnipresent game of god consciousness."
take a combination of this and the previous anonymous posters advice
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Anonymous
RE: is it posible?
Jun 22 2008, 9:49 PM EDT
"AnDrEw.N, Yes a dream you can die, but not neccessarily the real you, but it has happened before.

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How would anyone know that? unless you are acknowledging the fact that the astral and dream realms are coherently shared like this forum. I can believe that, I would have to know the person first so they could prove to me that they too know how to access such "shared dream realms" its not as easy as lets meet up, well at first, and if the situation was such, why would one let another die, unless the one coaxed the other into it in order to perform astral homicide. Where is moulder and skully when you need them right?
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KitsunegariBlu
KitsunegariBlu
RE: is it posible?
Jun 23 2008, 4:47 AM EDT
"How would anyone know that? why would one let another die Where is moulder and skully when you need them right? "
Anon, grr this is annoying trying to reply to people who probably won't be able to respond, btw, those were 'my' posts, I thought I'd been signed in.

I know that a person can dream they've died and physically survive (ex: I dreamt I was shot to death a few yrs ago, but obviously I am still here or I wouldn't be posting right now.)

And some people who die in thier dreams, I believe die physically in real life as well. Hence, why some people seem to have died in thier sleep-peacefully or not.

As for dream walking-astral planes it's a very common held Native American Concept, found in other beliefs as well. So sure, people could meet up. "I" can't, I don't want too. lol. But as for Astral Murder that's faintly possible, not going to stand up in a court of law though & would definately be on the murder's Karma. Mulder is on 'Californication' right now & Scully's probably in some historical jane austin flick btw, rotfl
Love, grace & peace, Kitsunegari

Earl maybe Karma is like Lassie, if you call it, it'll come save us.
~My Name Is Earl
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KitsunegariBlu
KitsunegariBlu
RE: is it posible?
Jun 23 2008, 4:57 AM EDT
Anon, You 'NEVER' welcom/let the malevolent entity in! And no, his belief in it, doesn't make him negatively affected. That's as absurd as saying, because a Christian believes in God, they're going to have to fight a holy crusade. You can't always strong arm an entity into doing your will, if you could, then you wouldn't be possessed. He's not a Daemonic Rehab Center. One temporary possession doth not a lifetime of issues make. You're post is so melodramatic. And SO Dangerous! Trained Religious Experts that deal with temporary possessions don't act willy nilly the way you're post suggested. It's not a game, to see if you can get the upper hand. It's a matter of great importance to be handled with extreme caution.
Love, grace & peace, Kitsunegari


Apparently, Common Sense isn't that Common.
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Ravenite
Ravenite
RE: is it posible?
Jun 23 2008, 8:05 AM EDT
Bravo Kitsune! Well handled! Couldn't have said it better myself. 8  out of 8 found this valuable. Do you?    
palmo95

palmo95
RE: is it posible?
Jul 2 2008, 8:01 PM EDT
"i have this spirit in my head he takes control of my body and i get all angry and hurt people i care about is this posible?

also is it posible to DIE in your dreams?"
It is possible that it is a spirit, but if it is it means your spirit goes to another place while your body is possesed, so I have agree wit ravenite and assume it is a clinical problem
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Ldylove
Ldylove
RE: is it posible?
Jul 3 2008, 1:32 AM EDT
wow.

About you? Personally? I'm no doctor, but you may want ta check that out or seek spiritual guideness.

Now about dieing in your sleep... i see that the other comments state that yes you can... Let me be one of many to tell you... Yes, you can. lol.

Something lighter...
Just 2 weeks ago, i dont know what i was dreaming about, but it must have been really great cause my husband the following morning wanted to know what I had been laughin hard about. He said i was laughing so hard in my sleep it woke HIM up, and scared the heeby jeebies out of him. At the time, i told him i remember laughin hecka hard, i just didnt know what it was about and didnt know at all that i was doing it out loud... brownie point for me! LOL.
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KitsunegariBlu
KitsunegariBlu
RE: is it posible?
Jul 3 2008, 2:35 AM EDT
"Palmo95, I see how you're using the 'lung' theory with spirit possession. Meaning-In this example..
Lungs equal a person.

Your Spirit is when your diaphragm pulls down, which not only leaves more space for your lungs to expand but also lowers the internal air pressure.

The Possessing Spirit is say the one that's outside, where the air pressure is greater, you suck in air-& the outside spirit when you inhale.

So by your theory- Only one spirit can possess a body at a time.

But that's not always the way it is, for example, sometime in the 1970's Doctor of Anthropology Dr. Felicitas Goodman wrote a book called "The Exorcism of Anneliese Michel". Dr. Goodman happened to be an expert on possession. "
If one was to believe Anneliese was truely being possessed & not suffering siezures, schizophrenia or some various other mental disorder AND/OR suffering from sudden bursts of unexplained clairaudience or clairvoyancy.

Dr. Goodman chronicled that Ms. Michel was sometimes aware of when she was being possessed. So that would prove that she wasn't forced somewhere else, it was just like she was proverbially 'locked' in another 'chamber' of her own mind, whilst the other Spirit was dominant.

And frankly from what AnDrEw.N's said, he's cognient of what occurs, whilst it's occuring, he doesn't black out, whilst that other Spirit was dominant.
Love, grace & peace, Kitsunegari


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Ravenite
Ravenite
RE: is it posible?
Jul 3 2008, 6:57 AM EDT
Dreams can be devious things.

I had my brother punch me in his sleep (tho the punch was NOT) just because in his sleep I happen to have been arguing with me. Sod's law that I just happen to wake up and decided to check up on him.

Another case was I dreamt a school teacher was trying to strangle me (don't ask why) and when I woke up I found I was doing it to myself.

So yeah... devious little bastards.
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Ldylove
Ldylove
RE: is it posible?
Jul 3 2008, 3:13 PM EDT
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Anonymous
RE: is it posible?
Jul 3 2008, 8:09 PM EDT
mind controls body. if in dream you die and it looks very real, your mind can really think you died, so your body would die too. but is to rare and, normally, those deaths are really violent and the people that die are very tired or hurted, because normally you wake up when you die ina dream, it becomes to bad, so your mind trigger so you can wake up. but, if you have no energy, you don't wake up. and, normally, dream-deaths like fallin' of a bridge, get a shot on the head, etc, dont cause real death, because it is too quickly, but dream-deaths like being robbed and attacked by a group of brutal guys can cause real damages on your body, mind and can lead to death. it happened before.
(btw, here is a movie-example. think about matrix. mind controls body. what happens in theyr mind, what happens in matrix, happens to they'r body. its not to far from reality).
and ravenite, that has a name, but i dont know it in english (in portuguese its "sonambulismo"). normally people associate people walking in theyr dreams to that word, but that is an example of that too.
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Anonymous
RE: is it posible?
Jul 3 2008, 8:11 PM EDT
mind controls body. if in dream you die and it looks very real, your mind can really think you died, so your body would die too. but is to rare and, normally, those deaths are really violent and the people that die are very tired or hurted, because normally you wake up when you die ina dream, it becomes to bad, so your mind trigger so you can wake up. but, if you have no energy, you don't wake up. and, normally, dream-deaths like fallin' of a bridge, get a shot on the head, etc, dont cause real death, because it is too quickly, but dream-deaths like being robbed and attacked by a group of brutal guys can cause real damages on your body, mind and can lead to death. it happened before.
(btw, here is a movie-example. think about matrix. mind controls body. what happens in theyr mind, what happens in matrix, happens to they'r body. its not to far from reality).
and ravenite, that has a name, but i dont know it in english (in portuguese its "sonambulismo"). normally people associate people walking in theyr dreams to that word, but that is an example of that too.
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